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30 November 2017 19:45 Post ID: #990190 - in reply to #990187
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Lienking - 30/11/2017 19:04

Whether they are British citizens or not is irrelevant, If they were not born in the UK, surely they must have migrated here, or at least come here temporarily. There are many areas in which immigration has been beneficial to us (particularly doctors) but clearly in midwifery it hasn't been. Of course you could also argue that it's racist to be stealing doctors and nurses from other countries, many of which probably need them more than we do.


So you cannot say the make up of this 25% and it is irrelevant. They could have migrated here 20 years ago, contributed to the society. Apparently, it makes them more of a problem than than the chavs who breed purely for more benefits and/or a free house?

Thanks for the clarification It is pretty clear what your stance is
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30 November 2017 21:27 Post ID: #990201 - in reply to #988137
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Several people are obviously keen remainers, but seem capable of debating their views. However if you can't see that immigration has both good and bad aspects it's clear you have very blinkered views, so any further discussion is clearly a waste of time.
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01 December 2017 07:37 Post ID: #990219 - in reply to #990201
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Lienking - 30/11/2017 21:27

Several people are obviously keen remainers, but seem capable of debating their views. However if you can't see that immigration has both good and bad aspects it's clear you have very blinkered views, so any further discussion is clearly a waste of time.


Who said I cannot see both sides of the equation. The difficultly is when during a debate baseless inflammatory statements are thrown out to justify a certain standpoint. This has to be challenged and I notice that you still haven't answered my initial query into your numbers.

I should have learned from the Merkel discussion that your views tend to be a generalisation that uses a 6 inch paint brush. Never mind it still makes me chuckle.

Edited by Bremen Tree 1/12/2017 10:21
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03 December 2017 17:08 Post ID: #990486 - in reply to #988137
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These foreign mothered kids are mainly from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (although Poland has very recently risen to second place). How will Brexit help with that 'problem'?
The proportion of foreign mothered kids is broadly similar to the numbers of foreigners working in the nhs (slightly higher). The relative financial contribution of immigrants to the nhs is greater than that of the British.
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06 December 2017 14:58 Post ID: #990718 - in reply to #988137
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David "Double D" Davis should be sacked immediately.

Incompetent, lying, "thick as mince" and "lazy as a toad".
Contempt of parliament, contempt of the public, contempt of the country.

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06 December 2017 15:12 Post ID: #990720 - in reply to #990718
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in_the_top_one - 6/12/2017 14:58

David "Double D" Davis should be sacked immediately.

Incompetent, lying, "thick as mince" and "lazy as a toad".
Contempt of parliament, contempt of the public, contempt of the country.



No need to worry because based on absolutely nothing but blind faith everything is going to be OK.

It is all part of the Brexit negotiations cunning masterplan.

Edited by Bremen Tree 6/12/2017 19:14
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06 December 2017 16:33 Post ID: #990725 - in reply to #988137
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Davis out!!!

(Toms will be here to defend him in a weird mirroring of Billy D at Forest. Perhaps he's called Tom Davis and related to both..)

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06 December 2017 19:12 Post ID: #990741 - in reply to #990725
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in_the_top_one - 6/12/2017 16:33

Davis out!!!

(Toms will be here to defend him in a weird mirroring of Billy D at Forest. Perhaps he's called Tom Davis and related to both..)



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07 December 2017 08:03 Post ID: #990766 - in reply to #990219
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Bremen Tree - 1/12/2017 06:37

Lienking - 30/11/2017 21:27

Several people are obviously keen remainers, but seem capable of debating their views. However if you can't see that immigration has both good and bad aspects it's clear you have very blinkered views, so any further discussion is clearly a waste of time.


Who said I cannot see both sides of the equation. The difficultly is when during a debate baseless inflammatory statements are thrown out to justify a certain standpoint. This has to be challenged and I notice that you still haven't answered my initial query into your numbers.

I should have learned from the Merkel discussion that your views tend to be a generalisation that uses a 6 inch paint brush. Never mind it still makes me chuckle.


Bremen, I'm of the generation familiar with the use of a 6 inch paint brush, by the sound of it you'd be younger than that. But that size brush still has a use as does the opinion of a different generation, in this case older. Doesn't have to make him wrong though, doesn't have to make him 100% right either. It's all about opinions and often the answer could well lay somewhere in between. It often does and I'm old enough to know that.
I don't know enough about U.K. problems or Brexit to offer a solution except to say that it won't be resolved any time soon. But you'd know that anyway.
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07 December 2017 09:48 Post ID: #990777 - in reply to #988137
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The cabinet have not discussed the type of Brexit we are seeking to negotiate with Brussels!
Is that an assumption by the 'leftie' BBC? No, it's an admission by the chancellor of the bleedin' exchequer!
It's one baffling and indefensible admission after another now.


Dudes, it is not going to be alright on the night. Time to smell the coffee and realise that this is a power grab by self-interested extremists that has already caused us great harm and will only get worse. Better pull the plug now and reform the EU from within using the lessons learnt.
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07 December 2017 09:53 Post ID: #990778 - in reply to #990720
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Bremen Tree - 6/12/2017 15:12
It is all part of the Brexit negotiations cunning masterplan.

We've probably got a crack team of lawyers on it.
Actually the parallels of baseless and unquestioning faith in shrewd competence behind the scenes are uncanny.
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07 December 2017 11:48 Post ID: #990781 - in reply to #990777
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in_the_top_one - 7/12/2017 09:48

The cabinet have not discussed the type of Brexit we are seeking to negotiate with Brussels!
Is that an assumption by the 'leftie' BBC? No, it's an admission by the chancellor of the bleedin' exchequer!
It's one baffling and indefensible admission after another now.


Dudes, it is not going to be alright on the night. Time to smell the coffee and realise that this is a power grab by self-interested extremists that has already caused us great harm and will only get worse. Better pull the plug now and reform the EU from within using the lessons learnt.


Agree totally with your first part. The negotiation tactics are abysmal . Difficult to believe what a shambles they are. You can't negotiate from a position of saying we will pay £40 billion no matter what, and we definitely won't have a hard border. We should be telling them that with no deal they get no money other than specific negotiations, and we will do what we want with the border. We are supposed to be in negotiations, not allowing them to bully us.

Not sure about your second part. Are you saying there are 17 million extremists? There is one thing for sure , the more they bully us the more certain I am that we should leave. This is now about democracy, not economics.




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07 December 2017 19:16 Post ID: #990800 - in reply to #988137
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Pretty sure it's just you that thinks a hard border is an acceptable solution. Neither side of the border want that, nor we on the mainland. It really is not the same as other land borders that the eu has in the east. Can't believe I need to explain that tbh!

No, I don't think there are 17 million extremists but their votes have been hijacked by extremists. Nobody was even talking about leaving the single market before the vote and the customs union didn't even come up in any debates. Remaining in these makes many issues evaporate but extremists are concerned about the ecj. With any trade deal there will have to be oversight on both sides. Some are now suggesting that it was obvious we would leave all along and that it is even a better option. It really isn't. We're being sold down the river.
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07 December 2017 20:23 Post ID: #990803 - in reply to #988137
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Thought it was about immigration??

Democracies are allowed to change their minds. They do it all the time. It is pretty much what defines a democracy. Even the lying, incompetent, time wasting, criminally negligent David Davis knows that!
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07 December 2017 20:42 Post ID: #990804 - in reply to #990803
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The EU has it's four basic freedoms, therefore surely anyone who voted knew that if we were going to control our own immigration we would have to leave the single market. I don't want a physical border in Ireland, but the decision should be OURS, and we should not be told what to do by the EU and Ireland. Of course the easy solution would be for Ireland to leave the EU too, but I don't suppose they would like us to tell them to do that any more than I like them telling us what to do.
I have read articles saying they trade with the UK more than the EU, and if they have to start paying to make up our shortfall, some people think they may end up leaving.

Anyhow whatever we all think, this government will probably end up paying all the money and leave us with a deal that effectively leaves us in the EU with no one happy on either side.
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07 December 2017 20:48 Post ID: #990808 - in reply to #990803
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in_the_top_one - 7/12/2017 20:23

Thought it was about immigration??

Democracies are allowed to change their minds. They do it all the time. It is pretty much what defines a democracy. Even the lying, incompetent, time wasting, criminally negligent David Davis knows that!


I don't disagree that a democracy can change its mind. However it's clear the EU isn't a democracy. We have had to wait over 40 years for any say on this. During those 40 years I have never heard any policies put forward for any of us to vote on. Every time the EU has lost a referendum there has been another one shortly after. They have made us wait 40 years for this vote, so it only seems fair to wait the same time for the next one.
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07 December 2017 22:39 Post ID: #990817 - in reply to #988137
Looks like phase 1 done. Onto trade talks

Itto will be desperately upset
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