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Javier garrido - left back
07 February 2018 07:58 Post ID: #999768 - in reply to #999750
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Calvin Plummer - 6/2/2018 21:53

Sniffer Dog - 6/2/2018 16:11

Calvin Plummer - 6/2/2018 15:34

Yay, another aging short term solution/financial burden.


Do you want to get out of this league or not?
It's time to start trusting the owners and manager.


Oh and I bought into the vision of developing youth, playing attacking passing football.

6 months later and the vision is aging defensive direct football.

Awesome.



Except for the odd performance Warburton's attacking passing football was total dog turd.

Why can't the art of defending ever be appreciated? It's a huge part of the game, Karankas football will be much better than the borefest served up under Warburton the majority of the time and it will achieve better results.

Would you like to have a bet with me that this time next year these owners and Karanka will have us challenging at the top end of the table?
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07 February 2018 09:02 Post ID: #999769 - in reply to #999529
well said sniffer.

we were going nowhere under warburton. stevie wonder could see it.
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07 February 2018 09:31 Post ID: #999772 - in reply to #999764
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Calvin Plummer - 7/2/2018 01:53

pebble - 7/2/2018 00:07

Direct football can be scintillating, the best counter attacking teams tend to be direct. Ball from defence into Nigel's feet, he turns, sees the run of Rice, slips him through, Rice runs 40 yards and chips the keeper and we are 2-0 up at Highbury.



....and me and my mates are crushed in the resultant surge in the Clock End.

One of the happiest moments of my youth.
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07 February 2018 09:36 Post ID: #999773 - in reply to #999768
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Sniffer Dog - 7/2/2018 07:58

Calvin Plummer - 6/2/2018 21:53

Sniffer Dog - 6/2/2018 16:11

Calvin Plummer - 6/2/2018 15:34

Yay, another aging short term solution/financial burden.


Do you want to get out of this league or not?
It's time to start trusting the owners and manager.


Oh and I bought into the vision of developing youth, playing attacking passing football.

6 months later and the vision is aging defensive direct football.

Awesome.



Except for the odd performance Warburton's attacking passing football was total dog turd.



Totally was. Everyone says a passing style equals entertainment. Well it doesn't. The great Forest teams were entertaining, MW's team was turdig. It seemed to me that he considered retaining the ball to be more important than the actual aim of the game - to score and to avoid the opponent scoring. Well we quite often achieved neither.
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07 February 2018 10:08 Post ID: #999774 - in reply to #999529
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Yep.

Spot on.

The attacking football was none existent.
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07 February 2018 10:11 Post ID: #999775 - in reply to #999749
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Calvin Plummer - 6/2/2018 21:52

LyttleByLyttle - 6/2/2018 19:50

Calvin Plummer - 6/2/2018 19:12

Pope John XXIII - 6/2/2018 15:51

Calvin Plummer - 6/2/2018 15:34

Yay, another aging short term solution/financial burden.


Like Murphy you mean?


Exactly so, apart from we don't have a precocious talent to nurse through in that position.


But MW and McParland signed Murphy?


So?


So they were responsible for recruiting an aging short term solution/financial burden.
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07 February 2018 10:19 Post ID: #999776 - in reply to #999774
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LyttleByLyttle - 7/2/2018 10:08

Yep.

Spot on.

The attacking football was none existent.


Owd none existent.
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07 February 2018 10:19 Post ID: #999777 - in reply to #999768
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Sniffer Dog - 7/2/2018 07:58

Calvin Plummer - 6/2/2018 21:53

Sniffer Dog - 6/2/2018 16:11

Calvin Plummer - 6/2/2018 15:34

Yay, another aging short term solution/financial burden.


Do you want to get out of this league or not?
It's time to start trusting the owners and manager.


Oh and I bought into the vision of developing youth, playing attacking passing football.

6 months later and the vision is aging defensive direct football.

Awesome.



Except for the odd performance Warburton's attacking passing football was total dog turd.

Why can't the art of defending ever be appreciated? It's a huge part of the game, Karankas football will be much better than the borefest served up under Warburton the majority of the time and it will achieve better results.

Would you like to have a bet with me that this time next year these owners and Karanka will have us challenging at the top end of the table?


Specifics.
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07 February 2018 10:20 Post ID: #999778 - in reply to #999772
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paplane - 7/2/2018 09:31

Calvin Plummer - 7/2/2018 01:53

pebble - 7/2/2018 00:07

Direct football can be scintillating, the best counter attacking teams tend to be direct. Ball from defence into Nigel's feet, he turns, sees the run of Rice, slips him through, Rice runs 40 yards and chips the keeper and we are 2-0 up at Highbury.



....and me and my mates are crushed in the resultant surge in the Clock End.

One of the happiest moments of my youth.


Mine too, probably my favourite ever away game.
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07 February 2018 10:24 Post ID: #999779 - in reply to #999775
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LyttleByLyttle - 7/2/2018 10:11

Calvin Plummer - 6/2/2018 21:52

LyttleByLyttle - 6/2/2018 19:50

Calvin Plummer - 6/2/2018 19:12

Pope John XXIII - 6/2/2018 15:51

Calvin Plummer - 6/2/2018 15:34

Yay, another aging short term solution/financial burden.


Like Murphy you mean?


Exactly so, apart from we don't have a precocious talent to nurse through in that position.


But MW and McParland signed Murphy?


So?


So they were responsible for recruiting an aging short term solution/financial burden.


A) I explained the different situation
B) You've consistently criticised the deal, so suddenly you're in favour of half our team being early to mid 30s next season?

It's about balance and for me having a top heavy aging squad (especially when a number are injury prone) is a mistake. I'd rather we had players approaching or at their peak than on the slide.
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07 February 2018 10:34 Post ID: #999780 - in reply to #999774
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LyttleByLyttle - 7/2/2018 10:08

Yep.

Spot on.

The attacking football was none existent.


But that's not true; there were some games were the football was great in spells.

The two big problems that we had were the defence and a total lack of leadership.

Trying to build a team to play any kind of football with the defence that we have, and still have, is like trying to build a house on quicksand.

It must be demoralising and confidence sapping to be playing well one minute and then go behind to a goal borne of comical defending; and that happened far to frequently for comfort.

Teams just do not go out and play entertaining football as a right; sometimes the opposition don't want you to play expansively and you have to earn that right.

Sometimes you have to roll up your sleeves and get stuck in to earn that right; that becomes increasingly more difficult with a team full of kids and a defence as poor as ours.

At least the leadership issue is being addressed.
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07 February 2018 11:27 Post ID: #999783 - in reply to #999779
Calvin Plummer - 7/2/2018 10:24

LyttleByLyttle - 7/2/2018 10:11

Calvin Plummer - 6/2/2018 21:52

LyttleByLyttle - 6/2/2018 19:50

Calvin Plummer - 6/2/2018 19:12

Pope John XXIII - 6/2/2018 15:51

Calvin Plummer - 6/2/2018 15:34

Yay, another aging short term solution/financial burden.


Like Murphy you mean?


Exactly so, apart from we don't have a precocious talent to nurse through in that position.


But MW and McParland signed Murphy?


So?


So they were responsible for recruiting an aging short term solution/financial burden.


A) I explained the different situation
B) You've consistently criticised the deal, so suddenly you're in favour of half our team being early to mid 30s next season?

It's about balance and for me having a top heavy aging squad (especially when a number are injury prone) is a mistake. I'd rather we had players approaching or at their peak than on the slide.


How exactly would we afford players at their peak? I guess we could sell the overrated Worrall and Osborn and buy some players at their peak.
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07 February 2018 12:07 Post ID: #999791 - in reply to #999529
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Hypothetical but would you have been happy with 20 mill and Daws signing, for them 2? Think i would

Edited by Mozzer1 7/2/2018 12:12
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07 February 2018 13:14 Post ID: #999795 - in reply to #999529
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I've no interest in Daws signing.

Toms: We managed it with Bridcutt and I said approaching also.
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07 February 2018 13:26 Post ID: #999796 - in reply to #999529
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Close to signing apparently
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07 February 2018 15:41 Post ID: #999817 - in reply to #999529
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Two points to add to this argument.

Firstly. What is the Forest track record for selling expensive players and buying good up and coming players. Sold MA, Burke and BA. (£35M) Bought??????

Secondly premiership is the goal. Assuming we are not going up 2018. The best we can hope for is 2019. Playing first season in premiership with players that are three years older than they are now. Geddy will be 34, Watson 35 Colback 31. Garrido if we ever sign him 34. To be successful we would either have to buy a new heart of team in 2020 or hope some of youngsters break thru. Problem is they have route thru now blocked. About 8 midfielders between someone like Edser and a first team game. AK has to think short-term because that is the lifespan of a manager today. He can only think of this season. In July he needs to think only about the remainder of 2018. Short-termism is rife.
Thats no way to run a club/team. Reminds me of Billy.
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07 February 2018 16:29 Post ID: #999820 - in reply to #999764
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Calvin Plummer - 7/2/2018 01:53

pebble - 7/2/2018 00:07

OK, so long ball could just mean hoofing it aimlessly out of defence.

I started from the assumption that even hoofing it long involved aiming at a big target man up front (usually with one or two other players ready to pick the ball up from his knockdowns or from the defenders' efforts to head clear).

From the little I've seen, under Karanka we're not going for either version of 'direct', but (I would hope) we're less wedded to playing it around at the back for the sake of it.


Long ball is about playing the game in particular areas and getting the ball there as quickly as possible.

Direct football can be scintillating, the best counter attacking teams tend to be direct. Ball from defence into Nigel's feet, he turns, sees the run of Rice, slips him through, Rice runs 40 yards and chips the keeper and we are 2-0 up at Highbury.

Or it can be dour, safety first, cynical Warnock ball. Initial impressions of games and signings indicate a mix of both to me.


Got to this match and there was a massive queue except in the under 16’s so we all went to that one and got in for £2. We were all about 20 (was you there Apollyon)?

Oh, and owd turdig
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