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07 February 2018 17:14 Post ID: #999826 - in reply to #999817
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Polly 433 - 7/2/2018 15:41

Two points to add to this argument.

Firstly. What is the Forest track record for selling expensive players and buying good up and coming players. Sold MA, Burke and BA. (£35M) Bought??????

Secondly premiership is the goal. Assuming we are not going up 2018. The best we can hope for is 2019. Playing first season in premiership with players that are three years older than they are now. Geddy will be 34, Watson 35 Colback 31. Garrido if we ever sign him 34. To be successful we would either have to buy a new heart of team in 2020 or hope some of youngsters break thru. Problem is they have route thru now blocked. About 8 midfielders between someone like Edser and a first team game. AK has to think short-term because that is the lifespan of a manager today. He can only think of this season. In July he needs to think only about the remainder of 2018. Short-termism is rife.
Thats no way to run a club/team. Reminds me of Billy.


Agreed.
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07 February 2018 17:50 Post ID: #999832 - in reply to #999826
Calvin Plummer - 7/2/2018 17:14

Polly 433 - 7/2/2018 15:41

Two points to add to this argument.

Firstly. What is the Forest track record for selling expensive players and buying good up and coming players. Sold MA, Burke and BA. (£35M) Bought??????

Secondly premiership is the goal. Assuming we are not going up 2018. The best we can hope for is 2019. Playing first season in premiership with players that are three years older than they are now. Geddy will be 34, Watson 35 Colback 31. Garrido if we ever sign him 34. To be successful we would either have to buy a new heart of team in 2020 or hope some of youngsters break thru. Problem is they have route thru now blocked. About 8 midfielders between someone like Edser and a first team game. AK has to think short-term because that is the lifespan of a manager today. He can only think of this season. In July he needs to think only about the remainder of 2018. Short-termism is rife.
Thats no way to run a club/team. Reminds me of Billy.


Agreed.


Can’t we just let our respected manager who has been promoted see if he can get us promoted. He has taken a look round and come to a highly qualified view that we can get promoted as things stand. He has added some steel and experience. Lolley is 25. Others are on the old side but seem fit and hungry to participate in his project. Nothing else has worked including using academy players, buying players from Nottingham and god knows what else.

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07 February 2018 17:55 Post ID: #999834 - in reply to #999529
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Our respected manager who has been promoted also came to the highly qualified view that we shouldn't sell Worrall to a top 7 PL club for £13m, yet you don't think Worrall is good enough.

Can't we just see if our Manager can get promoted whilst still using the academy players?
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07 February 2018 18:07 Post ID: #999839 - in reply to #999834
AdebolaCornflakes - 7/2/2018 17:55

Our respected manager who has been promoted also came to the highly qualified view that we shouldn't sell Worrall to a top 7 PL club for £13m, yet you don't think Worrall is good enough.

Can't we just see if our Manager can get promoted whilst still using the academy players?


Needs must my friend. He should use the academy players from time to time....never said he shouldn’t

Plus duck im saying they are perfectly acceptable mid to lower tier championship standard players just not much better(accept maybe worrall)
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07 February 2018 18:15 Post ID: #999842 - in reply to #999529
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Good to see you starting to come round to my way of thinking duck.

You do dig yourself into some holes don't you tater?
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07 February 2018 18:20 Post ID: #999844 - in reply to #999842
AdebolaCornflakes - 7/2/2018 18:15

Good to see you starting to come round to my way of thinking duck.

You do dig yourself into some holes don't you tater?


No. I’m pretty consistent
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07 February 2018 18:39 Post ID: #999848 - in reply to #999844
The quality needed to ensure our championship status has been acquired in my opinion. Just as an aside, what would a 28 year old Ben Watson have cost us? and that's assuming we could have persuaded him to come ( very doubtful). I think the new owners have shown that they "care". That's got to be a good thing as well. Mark Warburton bleating on about clarity from the owners is a bit strange, because it was clear to me and them that he hadn't got a clue.
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07 February 2018 18:51 Post ID: #999850 - in reply to #999817
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Polly 433 - 7/2/2018 15:41

Two points to add to this argument.

Firstly. What is the Forest track record for selling expensive players and buying good up and coming players. Sold MA, Burke and BA. (£35M) Bought??????

Secondly premiership is the goal. Assuming we are not going up 2018. The best we can hope for is 2019. Playing first season in premiership with players that are three years older than they are now. Geddy will be 34, Watson 35 Colback 31. Garrido if we ever sign him 34. To be successful we would either have to buy a new heart of team in 2020 or hope some of youngsters break thru. Problem is they have route thru now blocked. About 8 midfielders between someone like Edser and a first team game. AK has to think short-term because that is the lifespan of a manager today. He can only think of this season. In July he needs to think only about the remainder of 2018. Short-termism is rife.
Thats no way to run a club/team. Reminds me of Billy.


I never imagined these new players would be part of a premier league first team. They are fixing a shorter term problem of making us more competitive. You don't get perfect sky blue long term transfer strategy when you have three weeks to plug the gaps.

I think the very idea that we would go up and be able to use almost all the players we went up with is absurd anyway. How many players in promoted teams manage to last the course? 5 or 6?

So that's Cash, Osborn, Worrall and maybe three more we are promoted with. The rest won't make the grade and will be weak links until they are gradually replaced.

I think the contract lengths are clever here too. We won't be promoted next year. These contracts would therefore be running out on a realistic timescale for us to have a) potentially been promoted /fought for promotion and b) started to replace them.

In addition, it's going to be three older players out (Ward, Vaughan, Fox) and three better older players in- so no change really
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07 February 2018 19:15 Post ID: #999855 - in reply to #999529
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quite rare really but agree with you overall there pope
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07 February 2018 19:43 Post ID: #999861 - in reply to #999529
Makes me smile when I read posts questioning how this squad will fare when we reach the premiere league. Its as if we are almost there already and just need some fine tuning to stay there. This squad will keep us where we are and "perhaps" with some fine tuning will get us promoted, that's all. One thing is certain though, expecting a crop of overrated youngsters to do it was always a pipedream.
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07 February 2018 20:15 Post ID: #999863 - in reply to #999529
I completely agree Popey
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07 February 2018 21:03 Post ID: #999870 - in reply to #999861
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jbacsta - 7/2/2018 19:43

Makes me smile when I read posts questioning how this squad will fare when we reach the premiere league. Its as if we are almost there already and just need some fine tuning to stay there. This squad will keep us where we are and "perhaps" with some fine tuning will get us promoted, that's all. One thing is certain though, expecting a crop of overrated youngsters to do it was always a pipedream.


first bit makes sense as for the second bit- u never win anything with kids
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07 February 2018 21:04 Post ID: #999871 - in reply to #999529
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I am also in agreement with pope- is he using magic or has he drugged us all?
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07 February 2018 21:50 Post ID: #999873 - in reply to #999529
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Time will tell but I think we have done some exceptional business. I am as guilty as most but we vastly overate our players. For example, Vaughan has been a decent player but his lack of pace, injury record and general performance level has been on the wane for the last 3 seasons. This was painfully obvious against Preston but escaped the critics as he is perceived to be a good player.

What Karanka and the board have done is identify straight away the weaknesses and attempted to address them in the short and medium term - and this is perhaps what warburton was sacked for - his lack of a short term fix as for him rightly or wrongly was the catalyst for his demise.
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07 February 2018 22:24 Post ID: #999875 - in reply to #999529
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You read today about mw saying he only had 1 window etc...and yet Karanka has seen our problems, signed quality to solve the problems in a matter of weeks

I think we need to give him the tools required and see where the journey takes us...one thing is certain with forest, it’s never straight forward!
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07 February 2018 22:48 Post ID: #999877 - in reply to #999529
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I want AK to succeed, but perhaps fans should keep their enthusiasm for the new signings in check until they have proved their worth and we have witnessed an improvement of the team.

Let's remember, fans were happy (at the time) when signing the likes of Clough, Mills, Manc, McKay, Hobbs etc (today’s villains). Therefore, we should try to learn the lesson to keep enthusiam in check until the new signings (today’s heroes) have proved their worth 10-20 games in.
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07 February 2018 23:17 Post ID: #999880 - in reply to #999817
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Polly 433 - 8/2/2018 01:41

Two points to add to this argument.

Firstly. What is the Forest track record for selling expensive players and buying good up and coming players. Sold MA, Burke and BA. (£35M) Bought??????

Secondly premiership is the goal. Assuming we are not going up 2018. The best we can hope for is 2019. Playing first season in premiership with players that are three years older than they are now. Geddy will be 34, Watson 35 Colback 31. Garrido if we ever sign him 34. To be successful we would either have to buy a new heart of team in 2020 or hope some of youngsters break thru. Problem is they have route thru now blocked. About 8 midfielders between someone like Edser and a first team game. AK has to think short-term because that is the lifespan of a manager today. He can only think of this season. In July he needs to think only about the remainder of 2018. Short-termism is rife.
Thats no way to run a club/team. Reminds me of Billy.


Think you might be a bit pessimistic Polly. It could be that our new manager has been given a bit more time than in the past and his immediate job is to keep us up. Having done that and I feel sure that he will then some of these loans will go and with a bit of luck he may have some cash to splash in the summer, possibly including the sale of Worrall and Osborn.
This is the first manager in ages who I think gives us a fighting chance. Given time. And I wouldn't be surprised if our new owner gives him that time.


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