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07 February 2018 16:44 Post ID: #999822 - in reply to #999821
Lienking - 7/2/2018 16:38

da fuq - 7/2/2018 15:38

fookin ell Pants has made one mistake and he is being replaced

AK is not messing about

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Now Pants has set the new standard, this bloke is a bit small at only 6ft 5 !


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07 February 2018 16:44 Post ID: #999823 - in reply to #999812
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the jock - 7/2/2018 15:01

rob dorsett from sky says this lad signing this evening


Nice one
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07 February 2018 17:08 Post ID: #999824 - in reply to #999808
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Sniffer Dog - 7/2/2018 14:49

in_the_top_one - 7/2/2018 14:14

It's not all black and white. There is a time/longevity element to consider as well.

It isn't necessarily wise to bring in players that will be decent for a couple of seasons max and ship out all the ones that might develop into good players over the next ten (and also increase in value over that time). Taking a snapshot of quality/contribution right now is not the full picture.
Losing any of Brereton, Osborn, Worrall and Smith, even for players who might be considered better right now, could be both short-sighted and unsustainable. The way we and others sack managers, though, long-sightedness and sustainability aren't high in any manager's list of priorities.
It is sense, not sentiment.

Most of us have advocated bringing through our quality youth. I don't want to see that policy completely abandoned.


It won't be completely abandoned mate but the youth needs to be good enough to get us to where we want to be.
The new owners are not going to fanny around and wait for years to bring a new generation of kids through. They want promotion and they want it now.
I know I keep saying it but they are ruthless winners, happier days are coming soon.


Bullshit so far given the lack of quality signings and our net transfer spend under them.
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07 February 2018 17:11 Post ID: #999825 - in reply to #999809
AdebolaCornflakes - 7/2/2018 14:52

There is always a place for youth. We haven't been shite these last few years because we've been blooding the likes of Osborn, Brereton, Cash and Worrall; it's largely been down to a shite defence which several managers have failed to strengthen.

It would be such a shame to see the players named above benched all of a sudden now we have some experienced players in. It strikes me that we have a pretty good balance between youth and experience now.


Sorry mate but none of the above are good enough to be consistently play in a promotion chasing team. Karanka knows this. The only people who think otherwise are idealists. We will end up hopefully being no different to other clubs, namely introducing only the very best youngsters for a few games and loaning out the rest

We will look back at the days of worrall, Smith, Osborn and cash with nostalgic fondness wishing them well for their loans at burton, reading, Brentford and derby


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07 February 2018 17:16 Post ID: #999827 - in reply to #999825
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toms - 7/2/2018 17:11

AdebolaCornflakes - 7/2/2018 14:52

There is always a place for youth. We haven't been shite these last few years because we've been blooding the likes of Osborn, Brereton, Cash and Worrall; it's largely been down to a shite defence which several managers have failed to strengthen.

It would be such a shame to see the players named above benched all of a sudden now we have some experienced players in. It strikes me that we have a pretty good balance between youth and experience now.


Sorry mate but none of the above are good enough to be consistently play in a promotion chasing team. Karanka knows this. The only people who think otherwise are idealists. We will end up hopefully being no different to other clubs, namely introducing only the very best youngsters for a few games and loaning out the rest

We will look back at the days of worrall, Smith, Osborn and cash with nostalgic fondness wishing them well for their loans at burton, reading, Brentford and derby




Definitely, injury prone aging players who aren't wanted by their current teams are the way to go.
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07 February 2018 17:22 Post ID: #999828 - in reply to #999781
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Yeah we should be aiming for young, champions league quality experienced international players only.
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07 February 2018 17:35 Post ID: #999829 - in reply to #999827
Calvin Plummer - 7/2/2018 17:16

toms - 7/2/2018 17:11

AdebolaCornflakes - 7/2/2018 14:52

There is always a place for youth. We haven't been shite these last few years because we've been blooding the likes of Osborn, Brereton, Cash and Worrall; it's largely been down to a shite defence which several managers have failed to strengthen.

It would be such a shame to see the players named above benched all of a sudden now we have some experienced players in. It strikes me that we have a pretty good balance between youth and experience now.


Sorry mate but none of the above are good enough to be consistently play in a promotion chasing team. Karanka knows this. The only people who think otherwise are idealists. We will end up hopefully being no different to other clubs, namely introducing only the very best youngsters for a few games and loaning out the rest

We will look back at the days of worrall, Smith, Osborn and cash with nostalgic fondness wishing them well for their loans at burton, reading, Brentford and derby




Definitely, injury prone aging players who aren't wanted by their current teams are the way to go.


Not saying that at all. Young players we have are hardworking and certainly good enough for mid to lower tier championship but higher ....just don’t see it right now. Maybe worrall if he cuts out stupid errors
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07 February 2018 17:42 Post ID: #999830 - in reply to #999781
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So is this the end for Smith? Or does AK think that Pants is, well, pants?
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07 February 2018 17:46 Post ID: #999831 - in reply to #999781
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Perhaps with better players around them and a better organised manager they will develop into bigger assets for the club.

Anyone who has seen them play regularly will agree there is potential in all of them. It's hard to agree that Worrall isn't good enough for a promotion chasing second tier side when a top 7 Premier League side has just bid £13m for him, or that Brereton and Osborn aren't good enough when Klopp and Benitez have reportedly shown interest.
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07 February 2018 17:55 Post ID: #999833 - in reply to #999831
AdebolaCornflakes - 7/2/2018 17:46

Perhaps with better players around them and a better organised manager they will develop into bigger assets for the club.

Anyone who has seen them play regularly will agree there is potential in all of them. It's hard to agree that Worrall isn't good enough for a promotion chasing second tier side when a top 7 Premier League side has just bid £13m for him, or that Brereton and Osborn aren't good enough when Klopp and Benitez have reportedly shown interest.


Silly money for English players. Burke was 13m and where is he. Britt 15m playing for boro. Look at any of our youngsters in the last 10 years, where are they playing regularly today in the main?
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07 February 2018 17:57 Post ID: #999835 - in reply to #999781
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I think you're missing my point duck.

If Karanka had deemed Worrall to be not good enough then we would have accepted the "silly money" on offer.
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07 February 2018 18:02 Post ID: #999836 - in reply to #999835
AdebolaCornflakes - 7/2/2018 17:57

I think you're missing my point duck.

If Karanka had deemed Worrall to be not good enough then we would have accepted the "silly money" on offer.


Given we only have manc and an untested player at this level plus maybe fox that would have been insane.
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07 February 2018 18:06 Post ID: #999837 - in reply to #999781
He's got to go lads
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07 February 2018 18:06 Post ID: #999838 - in reply to #999781
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I'm sure AK and our backroom team have enough knowledge and contacts to have sourced a replacement at short notice.

If AK thought Worrall was no good then he would have taken the money and ran. No doubt about that.
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07 February 2018 18:10 Post ID: #999840 - in reply to #999838
AdebolaCornflakes - 7/2/2018 18:06

I'm sure AK and our backroom team have enough knowledge and contacts to have sourced a replacement at short notice.

If AK thought Worrall was no good then he would have taken the money and ran. No doubt about that.


Crowd pleasing decision duck. At this stage not a runner
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07 February 2018 18:10 Post ID: #999841 - in reply to #999836
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toms - 7/2/2018 18:02

AdebolaCornflakes - 7/2/2018 17:57

I think you're missing my point duck.

If Karanka had deemed Worrall to be not good enough then we would have accepted the "silly money" on offer.


Given we only have manc and an untested player at this level plus maybe fox that would have been insane.


The offer had been on the table for a while before the window shut. Hard to think Karanka couldn't have sourced a replacement with the money that would have been available if he'd wanted too.
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07 February 2018 18:16 Post ID: #999843 - in reply to #999781
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We must trust our respected new manager and his decision that Worrall is a good enough player who we wont sell even for silly money.
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